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Vincent is a genuine member of the Order. Claudia is an insane heretic.
Look at how Vincent acts and how he talks to Claudia. He says he fears and adores God, but that he doesn't believe the Otherworld and the monsters are her handy work. He finds the idea of God being born horrifying, not just because it means an end to his hedonism, but because he considers it a blasphemy to force God into the material world, especially through such questionable means. Claudia, Leonard, and Dahlia both belong to the Sect of the Holy Mother, a heretical and insane offshoot of the actual Order, and Vincent clearly disapproves of their methods.
The "Happy Birthday" voice on the other end of the phone is
- Perhaps more specifically, the town might be channeling Harry. Call this a stretch if you want, but this troper thinks it's both a reference to how Harry doesn't know Heather as her original daughter Cheryl, and a dad joke.
Vincent's "joke" does not mean the monsters are actually people.
He retracts it when he sees it freaks Heather out. It didn't occur to her that Vincent saw the same creatures in a different light, so the thought crossed her mind that they were actually people. And rather than explain what he meant, Vincent thought it easier to say it was a joke and change the subject.
- I think there might be some truth to that. One idea I've considered that, since he knows the otherworld's coming from Heather/Alessa's powers and subconscious, he's startled that she thinks they're monsters. He'd been assuming that, however bizarre they look, they must make sense to her since she's the one creating them. Vincent has a bad habit of assuming that Heather already knows everything Alessa knew (such as thinking she'd know how to use the Seal of Metatron), and it takes him aback when he finds out she doesn't understand what they are. Then again, he says it in such a slow, dramatic tone that he could really just be messing with her.
- He also makes the assumption that the otherworld coming from Alessa's subconscious would seem benevolent or at least harmless to her, rather than an open threat (which may not have been true even for the original Alessa!). Indeed, he might not himself see these beings as divine or beautiful, but it's entirely likely that he expected Heather to see them that way, similar to how Claudia did. Then when he noticed that Heather was killing these beings, he might have been worried that Heather was giving in to some dark impulses that might further Claudia's plans, and the rant he gave was an attempt to "wake her up". People treat "They look like monsters to you?" as a potential Wham Line, but it may be that the realWham Line in that scene was Heather's line right before that: "You're talking about the monsters?", with Vincent's reply being his way of giving voice to "Oh, that's what's going on!" Between Heather's reply, and also her reaction to the possibility that she'd killed actual people (or at least benign beings), Vincent likely realized that she might have killed not out of cruelty or wrath, but out of self-defense or fear for her life, and so ended the rant as quickly as he could, if a bit awkwardly.
- Downpour seems to confirm this — not only do other people than the protagonist see monsters, they occasionally see the same monsters — both Anne and Murphy see the Bogeyman, and Murphy briefly becomes the Bogeyman. So, either Vincent was lying or seeing things differently, or the town is a fan of mental tricks.
- Don't forget the one ending in Homecoming where Alex becomes Pyramidhead.
- Couldn't the shared hallucinations be simply due to similar fears/darkness being held in their hearts?
- Alternatively, he doesn't say that because he sees them as simply fascinating creatures. He asks the question because they are NOT monsters to the Cult. They are the angels of Silent Hill's religion. This is somewhat supported by some of the pictures and descriptions found in the Chapel. "God created beings to lead people in obedience to Her. The red god, Xuchilbara; the yellow god, Lobsel Vith; many gods and angels."
- I mean, there's validity to this even from a Biblical view. Old Testament angels were, frankly, horrifying. Wheels of eyes, multi-headed monstrositieswhen they said "Be not afraid" to mortals, it was because the people they visited had all rights to be terrified. It's entirely possible that Vincent and Heather see the same thing, they just code them differently. Heather as monsters, Vincent as embodiments of the divine.
In Silent Hill 3, Heather is aware of the scenes that she doesn't show up in.
Thus explaining her "Was someone else here?" line to Vincent in the motel. Obviously, Alessa's awakening memories are causing her repressed powers to return, and she's getting visions of what's going on in other places.
Valtiel isn't a thinking creature at all, it just carries out orders directly from whatever is behind Silent Hill.
It is just a bundle of instinct, and most of that instinct is to follow the orders of the voice that sometimes talks in its head — or rather, the ideas it sometimes has just out of the blue since a voice inside its head might be too abstract a concept for it to get. It doesn't really understand what it's supposed to do, it just does it. Like a valet, in the traditional role of a servant, being a part of the House that gets things done when told. Pyramid Head, on the other hand, is a separate entity, and one that works toward its own gratification and release of boredom. They're both on the same level, but Pyramid Head is more of a "Silent Hill tells me to do this, sure, but I'll just mess around with my own stuff until I get the chance" and Valtiel is like a flesh-robot. With instincts and a way to input instructions, but no mind of its own. (It came to me in a dream, cliche though it is.)
In Silent Hill 3, Claudia and Vincent are siblings.
- Vincent and Claudia don't share surnames, and Claudia is an only child. More likely, he just beat her in public, which as implied by some memos in the game is nearly canon. Even not going that far, maybe he abused her while Vincent was visiting some day.
- I honestly don't remember Vincent's surname ever being given, but I might just be stupid
- I don't remember it being given either, but when Claudia and Vincent are talking after the hospital, Claudia refers to him as "my father," not our father, and I'm pretty sure Vincent either refers to him using his first name, which would be unusual for a child (although not unheard of, granted), and refers to him as "your father."
- My take on it was that Dahlia raised Claudia alongside Alessa, and that, as much of a Card-Carrying Villain as Dahlia was in the first game, she actually did rescue Claudia from her abusive father Leonard, which is why Claudia's so gung-ho about the cult's beliefs as an adult. Since Vincent was being groomed as a church leader too, he was around a lot and saw the fights and abuse that happened whenever Leonard showed up and tried to take Claudia back. He and Claudia probably do have a brother/sister dynamic, just from having grown up together.
Getting loads of dark points for forgiving the confessor at the Church in SH 3 has nothing to do with Heather stepping into the shoes of God as is commonly believed.
- An alternate theory isn't the fact that you're forgiving someone, it's the person you're forgiving After all, a woman, sobbing her heart out about the "awful things" she did to her "own daughter", which however terrible were for "good intentions"? Heather may as well be saying "I forgive you, mommy."
Harry isn't really dead
Heather has already seen a number of dead bodies (one in the subway kind of reminds this troper of Travis, but all you can see is part of the legs and the feet) and she's obviously not back in the real world, because the street is blocked off so that she can't go anywhere but home.
Perhaps Heather's fear that something would happen to her father and Claudia's hatred of him caused the Otherworld to produce a dead copy of him? While Heather's running around Silent Hill bent on revenge, Harry's panicking and calling the police because his little girl hasn't come home yet.
- Interesting. Then whose grave is Heather kneeling over, as shown in the credits?
- Vincent's, most likely. Jerk though he was, you can't help being fond of him, and he did try to help. It would make sense for her to visit his grave at least once. It could also be Claudia's, but that pose makes me think it's Vincent's.
- Well it's like you said, the Missionary did manage to kill you once. You got ten tries to fight him, Harry only got one, and one death is all it takes for Harry.
- But my point about Harry putting up a fight remains the same. Do you really think Harry would just sit there calmly and let it kill him? It's not like it could sneak up on him. And the apartment is cramped, which means it can't dodge around around the way it likes to in the boss fight, which would have made it an even easier target for Harry. (Besides, the only reason it did kill me was because I'd played through the game several times already and knew it wasn't a hard boss. That death was due to stupidity on my part, not the toughness of the Missionary.)
- Hmm. I have two reasons. One, come on, it has been like what, almost two decades. He's old. Two, who knows? They might've just got him when he was sleeping.
- If you take in account Ms. Wolff's obsession with making Heather freak out to speed up God's birth, it's quite possible that she either made the Missionary kill Mr. Mason on the roof and then she just dragged his corpse to his chair for Heather to find, or she just lied and told Heather the Missionary killed him so she could have a toy she could rage on and beat the crap of.
Pyramid Head and Valtiel are the same being (relates to both of the above theories that Pyramid Head is an independent manifestation of Silent Hill and Maria is the cult's God, and assumes both are true).
- Pyramid Head's origins are implied in 2, and semi-confirmed in later supplements; the Cult used (their impression of) the image of Valtiel as the basis for the ritual dress of people who acted as punishers/executioners, adding the embellishment of a large, triangular red hood that covered their face completely. James saw a picture of these "punishers" during his initial visit to Silent Hill with Mary, in the Historical Society (when seeing the same picture during the game, he says he remembers it and that it gave him chills). They were known for using nooses (seen in the courtyard of the prison with a plaque with two PH's on it) and spears (seen whenever PH doesn't have his signature knife). As Pyramid Head is James' own guilt and self-hatred made manifest as a physical need to be punished — outright stated — his subconscious connection to the town took and made the already extant image of the executioners even MORE horrible by taking the hood and turning it into a heavy, painful metal helmet, and making him carry around a giant, cumbersome, but gruesomely effective knife because it's a knife.
Cheryl/Heather is Alessa's
Nobody. This is why Cheryl merges with Alessa at the end of the first game, and Heather is haunted by Alessa's Memory in the third.
Stanley Coleman is Valtiel.
Considering the human-to-monster transition that happened with Leonard Wolf and that both Valtiel and Stanley are very fond of stalking Heathercould be interesting. Looking back at the notes, it'd make sense if Stanley/Valtiel was already a monster and just gradually lost touch with his humanity (and sanity) until he couldn't write anymore. It'd also give a reason for why we don't see Stanley (human) but do see Valtiel (monster) following Heather since the notes suggest Stanley wants to be seen. What's more, Stanley was shut in the hospital by the Organization to make him forget something — what if they deliberately created Valtiel as an obsessive attendant to protect Heather from other monsters and, by connection, ensure the birth of God?
Vincent actually does want God to be born, but for his own purposes.
Consider that when Heather confronts them both at the end of the chapel, he encourages Heather to kill Claudia. Given his position in the Order, I find it unlikely that he wouldn't know that this would bring about God's birth. My theory: he wants to control God for whatever reason, and only had Heather get the Seal of Metatron to ensure God wouldn't just go on an unchecked rampage after Her birth. He sees Claudia, with her own, more far-reaching goals, as an obstacle to this, and figures he stands to benefit from her death anyway. He doesn't actually start wanting God not to be born until after Claudia stabs him, at which point it's more out of spite than anything else (e.g. "If I can't control God, nobody can!")
Dahlia Gillespie is Claudia's biological mother.
- This troper seems to remember the birthday card Alessa gave Claudia as reading "I love you as if you were my real sister", so being biologically-related seems unlikely. Someone earlier on this page did make a suggestion that Dahlia practically adopted Claudia, protecting her from her obviously unfit father, which would make a lot of sense.
Heather will eventually regain more of Alessa's powers.
- This troper interpreted Claudia's death as "The God is ready to be born now, and woe to the mother who bears the God". Indeed, remember that during the same event, if you try to kill Claudia, or wait too long to take the aglaophotis tablet, the God is born anyway and kills Heather. There wasn't anything special about Heather vs. Claudia at that particular moment; it was all down to the fact that the God was about to be born, and it didn't care which mother it was born from. I do admit the rest of what you have to say makes sense, though.
It's all time travel.
Every time Heather goes into the dark world she has to touch a symbol, usually on a mirror or reflective surface. She mentions it being the symbol "of the god of time" and it isn't really mentioned after this. In the dark world, any metal is rusted and corroded, paint is flaked off, wood paneling swells with ages of moisture. Every normal place now is barricaded up, chain mesh fences, steel plates welding rooms shut. What if some horrible invasion occurred, a mutagen that turned normal people into horrible monstrosities? Imagine a world after a zombie apocalypse, anywhere that wasn't trashed would be heavily fortified. Somehow, Heather has the ability to travel between the sane now and the seemingly insane then.
If Cybil had been saved in Silent Hill 1; she would have still been around and would have saved Harry.
- Harry was able to give Heather the aglaophotis because he didn't use it on Cybil. (Yes, the Book of Lost Memories claims he got more "somehow", but this seems much more consistent.)
It could happen again
- At the end of the game, after Heather kills God, she turns her head around to look behind her, as if she noticed something. What she heard is the sound of a baby crying. This is supposed to imply the reincarnation of God into a new host.
Douglas killed his son.
- It may be a long shot, but he sees monsters, too, which apparently, in the Silent Hill-verse, only those guilty of some form of sin or with some deep connection to the town can see. He seems rather tormented himself, telling Heather, "Nobody's gonna cry over my grave anyway." Then there's his confrontation with Claudia, where he admits to having killed before, and finally, of course, his admission of his son's death to Heather. Which could be a reason why he left the police force and started working as a private investigator, as he couldn't cope with the guilt of having ties to what killed his son.
Right, so I was just in your situation more or less, and I managed to beat it today finally (after a couple days of feeling screwed). I had full health but no healing items, and was quite low ammo on hard, and it was quite unpleasant. I beat it via exclusively meleeing, and my kill time for god ended up being 27 minutes and 42 seconds, so it definitely takes patience.
First off, if you feel inclined to use up your ammo to start, shoot god 3 times with the handgun (no silencer if you happen to have it), and then wait for it to come down and expose its face. At this point switch to shotgun/smg, and shoot it. Stand just out of arms reach for this to maximise your accuracy. The shotgun is slow so you probably only have time for a single shot and still having time to dodge fire, while the smg is really fast so you can probably unload a full clip.
Stick to the back of the area and focus on dodging the fire after each shooting session. The fire always starts in an arc coming from whichever side of god you're on, and then spikes out to where you're standing, which is when you'll want to move to the side. Theres often two streams of fire at a time as you slowly kill her, and the fire will move increasingly fast as she gets lower and lower health.
When it comes to meleeing, I recomend the katana. To safely melee, just stay in the back and constantly dodge the fire for a few minutes, and eventually god will fall down without the need for you to shoot her. As soon as she falls down, she'll take a swipe with her arm, and as soon as she finishes that, run up and give swings, and then retreat again. By retreating after only swings you'll be able to get away from god before she swings at you with her hand again, and instead will use fire and go back to her upright position. Repeat for as long as it takes to defeat her (roughly half an hour on hard if you don't soften her up with any ammo at all and hit her every time she falls down on her own). (If you happen to be busy dodging flames when she falls down and don't see her initial swipe, I probably would just wait until next time rather than risking further hits, but that'd depend on how much health you have to spare.)
Also, for all of this I would recommend having your bulletproof vest off, for increased mobility for fire dodging purposes, since the fire gets really fast towards the end.
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Silent Hill Collection Wiki Guide
God only has two or three attacks, making it easy to develop a strategy from trial and error. The first two are basic melee attacks. It will swipe its claw straight out at you, which can cover a pretty long distance. The other melee attack is a headbutt.
Of course, you can keep your distance with firearms, but it has one other attack up its sleeve. God can make fire run through the small arena you're battling in. If you stick to the furthers area from God, moving left to right or vice versa will usually keep you away from the flames. Moving inward will make the flames follow you and bring you in for a melee attack.
To defeat God you must weaken it and lower its head. There are two ways to force it to lower its head. You can either shoot it to force it to lower its head, or you can melee attack it when its hip starts jutting outward. Do not try to melee attack it at any other time.
Once the head is down, attack with either a melee attack or firearms. Your melee attacks will leave you open to its melee attacks, and firearms will cause it to use its fire attack.
Use whatever you have to take it down in the same fashion over and over.
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Let's put the toys away, Seryozhenka, put them away, please. I love you so much. And I so want to sleep.Silent Hill 3 - Boss: God
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