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 Mercedes 190e Engine Swap.... - what fits?  

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I'd assume that you know, but just to make sure, you do realise that none of the above options will bolt straight in don't you? They will require custom engine mounts and wiring, possibly a custom sump, and you will most likely need to swap the gearbox for one that was originally fitted to the engine you put in as well, meaning custom or modified gearbox crossmember and tailshaft as well.

If you're just looking for a cheap way out, an engine conversion is not it. Even with the inflated prices of European car parts, I'd be surprised if you could do the engine conversion for anywhere near the price you could just have the current engine fixed for, even if you do basically all the work yourself.

On the other hand, if you do decide to go ahead, I think it's a great idea. An old school Merc with modern power is very cool in my books, I just don't want to leave you with the possible impression that it's a simple and relatively cheap thing to do.

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Engine swaps are common jobs, often making a mockery of two perfectly good cars by creating one mismatched gimmick in an effort to drum up some hype.

This is no mere engine swap scenario. It’s a project that took over five years to complete. This creation here was the revival of a Mercedes-Benz 190E with a modern hand-built AMG V8 from a C63, chassis included.

The transformation has been documented in Piper Motorsport’s Facebook album which as of now contains 163 photos from the project, of which two cars had to be completely butchered in order to make this crazy German amalgamation possible. It goes way beyond the limits of anything we’ve ever seen baring a Mercedes badge.



“To make a long story short…” the Facebook album description reads, “the 190E will feature the engine, transmission, entire driveline, suspension, brakes, fire wall, dash, electronics and even the floor pan from the C63 AMG,” so it’s no wonder it’s taken a full five years to close out. “The exterior will resemble the old school EVO style 190’s, perhaps with some added DTM style flare. Enjoy the ‘Evolution’.”

The 6.2-litre V8 is more than twice the size of the original four-cylinder found in the 190E, meaning that it simply couldn’t fit in the ancient shell without moving the oil coolers, the A/C and brake master cylinder. The monstrous creation also needed a shorter wheelbase, a custom centre console, a 2×2 roll cade and three-point harnesses to add a little peace of mind. You can imagine that a vehicle with this much power would simply be too wild to tame. If all of this wasn’t enough, some DTM-style wheels by fifteen52 were added as the icing on the cake.

And this was all for a paying client. A very patient paying client by the sounds of it. The undisclosed Mercedes-AMG fanboy (or fangirl) was after an exterior facade that replicated the 1990 Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5-16 Evolution II, the automaker’s winged menace.

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Want to give a beloved but somewhat anemic classic car an extreme makeover? Try an engine swap with a more powerful contemporary unit. Tuners do it all the time, but it’s surprising to see Mercedes rejuvenate an 18-year-old 190E with a modern powerplant.

Built to showcase the substantial advances in diesel-engine technology over the past 20 years, a group of manic Mercedes-Benz engineers in Stuttgart-Sindelfingen took a 1992 190E 2.6—the chiseled ancestor of the C-class—and transplanted a modern 2.1-liter, twin-turbo diesel into its engine bay.

This is the vaunted four-cylinder OM651 engine, a rather heavy unit (but about the same weight as the 2.6-liter inline-six it replaces in the 190E) that is available throughout vast areas of the Mercedes car and truck landscape, including in the Sprinter van. A 50-state-legal version of this diesel is coming to American showrooms in 2011 under the hoods of the C- and GLK-classes. Twin-turbocharged and equipped with a state-of-the-art injection system, the OM651 is as powerful as it is efficient. For the 190E conversion, Mercedes chose a variant that makes 201 horsepower and 369 pound-feet of torque and coupled it to a six-speed manual. That translates to 43 more horsepower and a stunning increase in torque of 207 pound-feet over the gas-burning 2.6-liter it replaces. The original diesels that were offered in the 190- series made between 71 and 124 horsepower.

Thus equipped, the 190E becomes the 190D “BlueEfficiency,” which zips to 60 mph in roughly 6.0 seconds and tops out at 149 mph. A 190E 2.6 we tested in July 1991 needed 9.4 seconds to reach 60 and gave up at 126 mph. For once, a massive increase in performance comes with much greater fuel efficiency: The most miserly of the original 190Ds achieved 32 mpg on the European cycle; the car with the engine implant, making almost three times the previous power, gets 48 mpg on the same cycle.

So we agree that, compared with the diesel engines available in the baby Benz at the time, the 201-hp OM651 is a far superior unit. But there are further, probably unintentional conclusions to be drawn from this experiment. The bottom line: Today’s cars are seriously heavy. The original 1988 190D weighed a whopping 850 pounds less than a new C-class equipped with the 2.1-liter diesel, the C250 CDI.

Both the Frankenstein 190D and the modern C250 will hit 149 mph—but the heavier C-class loses the race to get there. In the 0-to-60 sprint alone, the C250 trails the 190D BlueEfficiency by 0.8 second. Beyond its superior acceleration, the old car also feels lighter, is more fun to drive, and charges forward at the slightest provocation of the throttle. The C250 CDI, by contrast, feels isolated and more massive.

Mercedes is quick to defend the modern car’s superiority by pointing out its seven airbags, stability control, heated mirrors, multiway adjustable seats, and so on. Yes, it’s a safer car with more amenities—but the old baby Benz wasn’t exactly a deathtrap. And we’re not at all surprised that the greatest obstacle to creating this experimental 190D was coaxing the new engine to fire up. Getting the unit to work requires fooling its engine-control computer by sending it all the modern-car communication signals it expects.

And then there’s the styling. Seeing it again makes us long for the stoic lines and supremely functional bodywork of the 190 series. If such an engine swap were available officially, we’d think this baby Benz could keep us happy for another 18 years.

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Mercedes 190E with a supercharged M111 inline-four

What should you do if your Mercedes 190E (W201) still looks good but the inline-four is getting long in the tooth? Tuning Kingz Shop in Poland solved that problem by using an engine from a Mercedes 230 Kompressor (W202). They replaced the 190E’s tired 1.8 L M102 inline-four that made 107 horsepower with the supercharged 2.3 L M111 inline-four from the C230 that makes 190 horsepower. The goal is to bump that up to 226+ horsepower with some extra boost and tuning. Combine that with new brakes, suspension, interior work, paint detailing, and you get a really nice Mercedes.

Mercedes 190E with a supercharged M111 inline-four

Mercedes 190E with a supercharged M111 inline-four

Mercedes 190E with a supercharged M111 inline-four

Mercedes 190E with a supercharged M111 inline-four

Mercedes 190E with a supercharged M111 inline-four

Mercedes 190E with a supercharged M111 inline-four

Mercedes 190E with a supercharged M111 inline-four

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Need info on W201/190d swap OM603/OM606

I'm thinking of buying a 190d W201 and do an engineswap to a OM603 or OM606. Before buying the car I have to estimate the cost of the project and therefor need to know what has to be done to complete the swap succesfully.

I can see the engineswap has been done a couple of times before, but my case is a little "special" as the conversions has been made to last generation W201s. Due to strict emission requirements in Denmark the W201 has to be older than 1984 or it's virtually impossible to get the engine swap aproved for road-use/streetlegal without spending a fortune.
That leaves 190d 2.0 and 2.5 as the only cars the OM60x can be swapped into as the 2.6E og 2.5 Turbo diesel wasn't on the market before 1986.

Goal with conversion :
1. Streetlegal car
2. OM603/OM606 running stock (147bhp or 177bhp)
3. Limited Slip Differential
4. Close to bolt-on conversion (some small mods are okay)

Can someone describe in short what parts I would need to acomplish that?

Something like - complete suspension from an W201 2.6E, LSD from an W124 E300D, engine OM603 or OM606 /w mechanical IP. Would'nt this be bolt-on except for some small mods?

Regards.
Nicklas

(This post was last modified: 08-09-2009, 12:19 PM by Sallemander.)

08-09-2009, 12:01 PM
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RE: Need info on W201/190d swap OM603/OM606

(08-09-2009, 12:01 PM)Sallemander Wrote: Due to strict emission requirements in Denmark the W201 has to be older than 1984 or it's virtually impossible to get the engine swap aproved for road-use/streetlegal without spending a fortune.
That leaves 190d 2.0 and 2.5 as the only cars the OM60x can be swapped into as the 2.6E og 2.5 Turbo diesel wasn't on the market before 1986.

I just thought that the body of the W201 190D 2.5 from 1983 is identical to the one of a 1986 W201 2.6E except for some suspension parts, so maybe this isnt a thing to consider afterall when doing a OM60x engine swap to a W201.

Only info I need is what transmission, clutch, flywheel I need for the W201 to work with a LSD differential.

08-09-2009, 03:47 PM
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RE: Need info on W201/190d swap OM603/OM606
Kozuka->

I read those post and I think I figured out the engine conversion. Engine OM606, mechanical IP from OM603, flywheel from a OM602 2,5D and a 3rd party performance clutch to take the high torque/bhp. But I still have some questions regarding suspension and the gearbox/LSD.

1. Suspension : For the OM606 to fit the W201 engine bay you need swaybays from the 2.6E inline-6. Are they bolt-on with the right brackets?

2. Suspension : The engine is heavy, and the 190D needs springs from a 2.6E inline-6. Do the springs fit the original shock absorbers, and if not are the 2,6E shock absorbers bolt-on?

3. Gearbox/LSD : If I want a limited slip differential, what are the possibilities? the 2,3-16v ones are very rare and expensive. I think I once read that one could modify a ASR LSD from a W124 (4-matic i think) to fit a W201 gearbox. I read that if you didn't have the ASR controller, it would function as a normal LSD. Know anything about this?

4. Your opinion on a stock OM603 vs. OM606 with mechanical IP. I guess the engines are very similar except for 12v vs. 24v. Do the OM606 drive a lot better, because it's a lot more expensive than OM603 and power is about 146 vs 160bhp with mechanical ip on both..

If you don't know the answer to all of the questions, it's okay you only answer the ones you do Smile

Regards
Nicklas

(This post was last modified: 08-10-2009, 11:36 AM by Sallemander.)

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RE: Need info on W201/190d swap OM603/OM606
(08-10-2009, 11:24 AM)Sallemander Wrote: Kozuka->

I read those post and I think I figured out the engine conversion. Engine OM606, mechanical IP from OM603, flywheel from a OM602 2,5D and a 3rd party performance clutch to take the high torque/bhp. But I still have some questions regarding suspension and the gearbox/LSD.

1. Suspension : For the OM606 to fit the W201 engine bay you need swaybays from the 2.6E inline-6. Are they bolt-on with the right brackets?

2. Suspension : The engine is heavy, and the 190D needs springs from a 2.6E inline-6. Do the springs fit the original shock absorbers, and if not are the 2,6E shock absorbers bolt-on?

3. Gearbox/LSD : If I want a limited slip differential, what are the possibilities? the 2,3-16v ones are very rare and expensive. I think I once read that one could modify a ASR LSD from a W124 (4-matic i think) to fit a W201 gearbox. I read that if you didn't have the ASR controller, it would function as a normal LSD. Know anything about this?

4. Your opinion on a stock OM603 vs. OM606 with mechanical IP. I guess the engines are very similar except for 12v vs. 24v. Do the OM606 drive a lot better, because it's a lot more expensive than OM603 and power is about 146 vs 160bhp with mechanical ip on both..

If you don't know the answer to all of the questions, it's okay you only answer the ones you do Smile

Regards
Nicklas

I'll chime in and Kozuka can correct me if I am wrong;

if you can, get a 2.5D 5-speed flywheel, uprated clutch pack for any of the 5-speed transmissions (2.6 or 2.5D out of a 190D or 2.6/2.8/3.0 out of a 300E are ideal but all will easily take the power)

sway bars are direct bolts, yes - struts are the same on the 2.3 and 2.6 cars -- the springs are seperate and you can just throw the 2.6 springs right into the 2.3 no problem.

I would get a used 16V differential, one can be had for 2-400 dollars. its just easier that way.

#4, kozuka will have to answer Smile

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RE: Need info on W201/190d swap OM603/OM606

#4 It's all about power, the 603 pump will only get you to around 175hp stock. But an upgraded pump on a 606 will put down somewhere around the 500hp mark reliably. But when you talk about drivability you have to remember the torque we are talking here. What does the stock engine put out like 120hp and 200ft lb's of torque. Obviously this is not a completely liener path but when you start getting around the 300-400tq's mark your Always going to give up drivablity. So I would say if your planning on running this as a drag car all out power 606 is the way to go. If you want something thats crazy fast (300+ hp) but still able to launch at a stop without burning the tires or stalling the engine.

Either way you look at when your said and done to make the power on one of these engines in good condition is going to be $3000-5000 in it from the get-go on all this VGT, Myan Pump, Injectors, Etc Etc.

Suspension. I cant stress enough the weight of the engine. A OM603 weights alot compaired to a M103 so I would definatly go for the Cut 500E Front springs and Whatever you like in the back. I would also suggest the 500E front swaybar mounting is different you need to mount the brackets off the 500E *backwards* and trim the ends of the swaybar to fit. But it will combat the extra weight in the front.

The problem with other LSD's is that they are actually ASD which is an electronically controlled clutch mechanisim. I would say you want an LSD go on the 190rev and you can find one for a somewhat decent price but probably needs to be rebuilt. As for those Diffs *I have no clue*.

Thanks,
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RE: Need info on W201/190d swap OM603/OM606

ASD wouldn't be a bad idea if you could make a standalone control for it. Stock is only active up to 20mph so I don't know how effective/reliable it would be beyond that.

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RE: Need info on W201/190d swap OM603/OM606

(08-10-2009, 11:26 PM)ForcedInduction Wrote: ASD wouldn't be a bad idea if you could make a standalone control for it. Stock is only active up to 20mph so I don't know how effective/reliable it would be beyond that.

I read somewhere that if you don't use the ASD in a ASD differential it will function as a normal LSD, but unfortunately I can't find the link.
Although I found this word document. Sounds interesting :

http://www.snapdrive.net/files/465230/In...%20non.doc
MOD EDIT: Converted the document into a thread: http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/w201...t-597.html

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Thats a very useful document, thanks for posting it. Too bad a W201 diff won't fit in a W123, we're pretty much stuck looking for an AMG part or Frankensteining something together.

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