
Huh...?Terry Murbach wrote:WE HAVE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE.
Old Savage wrote:I am thinking maybe 1000 to 1100 fps. Most data is full out on this cartridge. I am thinking something in the neighborhood of 20 Gr of 2400 with a jacketed bullet 250 - 300 gr. Has anyone loaded these. Want to use the 454 brass to avoid the chamber ringing that might go with 45 Colt brass.
The loads I found are just a tad 'warmer', but pretty close, and I know Old Savageis talking about a pistol load and me a carbine load, but we're both thinking how to load something in the ".45 Colt +P+" realm using a .454 Casull case; maybe a ".454 Casull -P"AJMD429 wrote:
- Start 300 Speer UCSP Alliant 2400 22.0 gr1209 fps
Max 300 Speer UCSP Alliant 2400 24.0gr 1325 fps

There are lots of other powders (like SR-4759 ?) I read of people using when they want reduced loads for rounds like .444 Marlin, but I thought they were looking at way less PSI than Old Savage and I are talking about with the .454 Casull '.45 Colt +P' level loads.
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Thread: 454 casull reduced loads
08-24-2015, 07:06 PM#1

454 casull reduced loads
Anyone have good light loads with boolits for 454?(preferably 250-260grs)
08-24-2015, 07:23 PM#2
08-24-2015, 07:50 PM#3


08-25-2015, 06:25 AM#4



I use 260 and 320 grain cast bullets with Unique for 1100 fps. Start in the Ruger and T/C section of 45 Colt data in your loading manuals and adjust as needed.
08-25-2015, 06:32 AM#5




I use 250 gr cast bullets over 9 gr of unique for mild loads . . .
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08-25-2015, 08:46 AM#6

Thanks. I've only been shooting 45 colt loads(in 454 brass)Anyone get good acuracy with 700x?
08-25-2015, 09:16 AM#7




If you are looking at shooting mouse fart loads then 700x would work about as good as any. Using a 250-260 grain boolit, 6-7 grains would work well and shoot accurately enough for general plinking.
08-25-2015, 02:36 PM#8


I shoot the RCBS 45-270SAA bullet over 14 grains of HS6, my 340 grain WFNPB LBT bullets over the same charge of HS6, or 21 grains of 2400. Brian Pearce did an article for Handloader Magazine on the 454 and he included some nice midrange loads.
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08-25-2015, 06:01 PM#9


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08-25-2015, 08:20 PM#10
see if this helps http://www.reloadammo.com/454casull.htm myself i like 27.5gr of H110 under a 300gr boolit out of my Encore Attachment 147493
thats at 100 yards
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09-27-2015, 10:10 AM#11

Update: I,ve finally gotten a chronograph!
6.6 x dupont 700x with a MBC 255gr swc, cci#400 sm. rifle (454 casull brass) gets me 780fps & an 8sd
This is a nice target load.Stepping up to 7.1 grns got me to 800fps & a 12sd. This is slower than I expected in the 7.5 inch barrel! I suspect its because my powder is old, or does it have to do with the larger case?
When I chrono'ed mouse fart loads in my 30-30 with this powder velocities were right where I expected(5.0 grns w/a 155grn LRN at 1020)
I'm already a bit above max in the 45 colt (but figured I'm ok w/the 454 superredhawk). Guess I'll need to try another powder to get that bullet closer to 1000fps for hunting.( maybe 2400?)
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09-27-2015, 10:26 AM#12
2400 and also LilGun work good for 75% ~ 90% power in .45 Colt Ruger Only loads so it should work for 454.
Just keep in mind to *never* download W296/H110.
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09-27-2015, 10:28 AM#13




I would see if you can find some Unique or even Bluedot, something in that burn rate area if you are wanting 1,000 fps. 2400 powder underneith a 250 grainer running at 1000 fps with 454 Casull brass (small rifle primer) is going to leave you quite a bit of unburnt powder; it needs more pressure to burn well. However you will likely still have pretty decent accuracy. If using 2400 powder I would look toward 1,100 fps and things will come together nicely.
09-27-2015, 10:52 AM#14

I was thinking of starting at 15 x 2400 and working my way up.
(255gr lswc- which actually weigh closer to 260)
09-27-2015, 11:30 AM#15



That's good advice on the WW296/H110. Something to think about on Lil'Gun is that powder is harder to ignite than H110, so I would think it would be even worse to download than H110 relative to ignition.Originally Posted by DougGuy
2400 and also LilGun work good for 75% ~ 90% power in .45 Colt Ruger Only loads so it should work for 454.
Just keep in mind to *never* download W296/H110.
Bob Baker doesn't want Lil'Gun shot in the FA 454 as he says it damages the revolver. Might be for the FA but I've never heard of Lil'Gun causing any problems with other revolvers. It does generate a lot more barrel heat than other powders but I'm not sure that will cause a problem to most revolvers.
09-27-2015, 02:26 PM#16




15 grains of 2400 powder is too light of a load and will burn poorly. Considering 454 Casull brass, I would start at 18 grains then work up and figure you to be in the 950 fps-possibly 1000 fps area with a 260 grain boolit.Originally Posted by cosmoline one
I was thinking of starting at 15 x 2400 and working my way up.
(255gr lswc- which actually weigh closer to 260)
09-27-2015, 02:36 PM#17
09-28-2015, 01:02 AM#18
You might want to take a look at 4227 as well. It's a slow powder but I like it a lot. I've been using 22 grains in a 45 Colt case in a FA 83 (7.5" barrel) w/45 Colt cylinder and get 1,175 fps - it's very accurate. Unlike 296/H110 you can load 4227 down. The other nice thing about it is it fills the case pretty well. I haven't noticed it being position or temperature sensitive either.
09-28-2015, 07:05 AM#19


I found accuracy with the LEE 320 to get noticeably better once velocity got to around 1,100 fps. Your guns may be different. I wouldn't bet on it though
09-28-2015, 09:16 AM#20




I caution that I have ZERO experience with the 454 Casull, and don't expect to gain any. That said, I make A LOT of 38 Special and 44 Special +P-type loads for my 357 and 44 Magnums in magnum casings--950-1000 FPS--using the following formula......
Herco powder.......use 38 Special max recipe +10% to equal Special ballistics, then slowly run the weight up until desired velocity is achieved. +12% to +15% is the usual route to 950-1000 FPS with standard weight SWCs in either caliber.
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![]() looking for a mild load for the 454 casull,something that wont beat up the gun shooting on a regular basis,any help thanks kirk |
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LOL.....I had never used TB before I tried it for reduced loads in my .460. After getting confirmation from Hodgdon that it would work in the .460 with jacketed bullets I went to my local gun shop and asked for a pound. The clerk comes back with two cans. I said "no, I just wanted ONE pound." He chuckled and pointed to the weight on the jug. Told me "I knew what you wanted, but I do this to everybody that ask for a POUND of TB". Still........by the pound, it ain't anymore expensive as any other powder |
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Loads 454 casull light
.454 Loading Data
FREEDOM ARMS LOADING DATA:
LOADING RECOMMENDATIONS
FOR REVOLVERS MANUFACTURED BY FREEDOM ARMS CHAMBERED
FOR 454 CASULL ONLY!
WARNING:
THIS RELOADING INFORMATION IS PROVIDED AS A SUPPLEMENT TO ASSIST PROFICIENT HANDLOADERS IN FINDING SOME SUITABLE LOADS FOR THEIR NEEDS. THERE ARE MANY GOOD HANDBOOKS AVAILABLE FOR THE BEGINNING HANDLOADERS. IT IS SUGGESTED THAT SOMEONE STARTING OUT, OBTAIN AND STUDY ONE OF THESE MANUALS. MOST FIREARMS DEALERS CAN PROVIDE THE MANUALS AND TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO ASSIST THE BEGINNING HANDLOADERS.
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DUE TO THE INABILITY OF FREEDOM ARMS TO CONTROL RELOADING PROCEDURES, USE THE RECOMMENDATIONS ONLY IN FIREARMS THAT ARE IN GOOD, AND SAFE MECHANICAL CONDITION. THE INDIVIDUAL ASSUMES THE RISK OF SAFE LOADING PRACTICES. FAILURE TO DO SO MAY RESULT IN SERIOUS PERSONAL INJURY AND/OR DEATH TO THE INDIVIDUAL OR BYSTANDERS.
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PRESSURE DATA WAS DEVELOPED AND SUBMITTED BY THE BALLISTICS LABS OF THE ACCURATE ARMS COMPANY INC., HODGDON POWDER COMPANY, AND HORNADAY MANUFACTURING COMPANY.
BALLISTICS’ COMPARISON CHART. FOR REFERENCE ONLY!
CALIBER TRAJECTORY | BULLET SPECS. | MUZZLE VELOCITY | MUZZLE ENERGY | MID RNG 100 YD’S |
357 MAGNUM | 158 JHP | 1235 F.P.S. | 535 FT-LBS. | 3.5″ |
44 MAGNUM | 240 JHP | 1180 F.P.S. | 741 FT-LBS. | 3.7″ |
45 LONG COLT | 255LRN | 860 F.P.S. | 420 FT-LBS. | 6.1″ |
454 CASULL | 240 JHP | 1875 F.P.S. | 1884 FT-LBS. | 1.3″ |
LOADING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REVOLVERS MANUFACURED BY FREEDOM ARMS CHAMBERED FOR 454 CASULL ONLY!
ALL VELOCITIES ARE FOR : 7.5″ PRESSURE BARREL.*
BULLET DIAMETERS ARE : .451 / .452
PRIMER SIZE : SMALL RIFLE REM. # 7 1/2
CASE TRIM LENGTH : 1.380″
MAXIMUM CASE LENGTH : 1.385″
MAXIMUM O.A.L. LENGTH: 1.765″
*Note:
Data work up done in a Standard Receiver Pressure Barrel unless otherwise noted. Revolver velocities will be different depending on barrel length.
A good rule of thumb to go by is: Expect a 50 to 75 f.p.s velocity difference, per barrel length.
Example:
A 6″ barrel would be approximately 50 to 75 f.p.s. slower than listed below.
A 10″ barrel would be approximately 50 to 75 f.p.s. faster than listed below.
STARTING LOADS | MAXIMUM RECOMMENDED LOADS | ||||||
BULLET | MUZZLE POWDER | WT.IN GRAINS | MUZZLE VELOCITY | C.U.P. | WT.IN GRAINS | MUZZLE VELOCITY | C.U.P. |
FREEDOM ARMS | |||||||
FA240JHP | H4227 | 29.0 | 1421 | 33,800 | 34.0 | 1815 | 41,400 |
FA240JHP | H110 | 36.0 | 1889 | 44,700 | 39.0 | 2090 | 54,100 |
+FA240JHP | H110 | 36.0 | 1889 | 44,700 | |||
FA240JHP | HS7 | 19.0 | 1352 | 38,400 | 25.5 | 1746 | 50,100 |
FA240JHP | HS6 | 17.0 | 1277 | 34,600 | 21.5 | 1641 | 44,600 |
FA240JHP | HP38 | 9.0 | 852 | 26,600 | 13.5 | 1421 | 38,400 |
FA240JHP | W296 | 36.0 | 1875 | 45,200 | 38.0 | 2004 | 53,400 |
FA240JHP | W571 | 19.0 | 1395 | 38,800 | 25.5 | 1740 | 50,600 |
FA240JHP | W540 | 17.0 | 1274 | 34,600 | 21.5 | 1629 | 44,200 |
FA240JHP | W231 | 9.0 | 844 | 25,200 | 13.5 | 1399 | 37,600 |
FA240JHP | 2400 | 26.0 | 1639 | 38,000 | 30.0 | 1886 | 53,700 |
FA240JHP | BLUE DOT | 21.0 | 1588 | 37,400 | 25.0 | 1896 | 55,100 |
FA240JHP | UNIQUE | 14.0 | 1367 | 33,900 | 16.5 | 1580 | 49,700 |
FA240JHP | BULLSEYE | 7.0 | 842 | 15,700 | 11.0 | 1334 | 32,300 |
FA240JHP | A.A. NO. 9 | 23.5 | 1439 | 21,500 | +33.8 | 1875 | 56,800 |
FA240JHP | A.A. 1680 | 34.0 | 1349 | 17,100 | 38.0 | 1769 | 46,500 |
FA240JHP | N350 | 13.0 | 1280 | 25,000 | 17.2 | 1564 | 48,660 |
FA240JHP | N110 | 27.0 | 1655 | 27,000 | 31.0 | 1877 | 48,040 |
STARTING LOADS | MAXIMUM RECOMMENDED LOADS | ||||||
BULLET | MUZZLE POWDER | WT.IN GRAINS | MUZZLE VELOCITY | C.U.P. | WT.IN GRAINS | MUZZLE VELOCITY | C.U.P. |
FREEDOM ARMS | |||||||
FA260JFP | H4227 | 28.0 | 1309 | 34,000 | 33.0 | 1759 | 46,000 |
FA260JFP | H110 | 34.0 | 1790 | 44,600 | 37.0 | 2005 | 53,800 |
+FA260JFP | H110 | 35.0 | 1825 | ||||
FA260JFP | HS7 | 17.0 | 1228 | 36,000 | 24.0 | 1701 | 51,700 |
FA260JFP | HS6 | 16.0 | 1181 | 33,800 | 20.5 | 1562 | 44,200 |
FA260JFP | HP38 | 8.5 | 811 | 27,700 | 12.5 | 1248 | 36,600 |
FA260JFP | W296 | 34.0 | 1789 | 44,400 | 37.0 | 1977 | 53,100 |
FA260JFP | W571 | 17.0 | 1234 | 36,000 | 24.0 | 1689 | 51,400 |
FA260JFP | W540 | 16.0 | 1188 | 34,000 | 20.0 | 1522 | 43,400 |
FA260JFP | W231 | 8.5 | 815 | 27,400 | 12.5 | 1244 | 36,700 |
FA260JFP | 2400 | 25.0 | 1538 | 35,000 | 29.0 | 1780 | 51,800 |
FA260JFP | BLUE DOT | 18.0 | 1429 | 38,800 | 22.0 | 1704 | 53,700 |
FA260JFP | UNIQUE | 12.0 | 1220 | 33,600 | 15.0 | 1452 | 46,600 |
FA260JFP | BULLSEYE | 7.0 | 829 | 16,100 | 11.0 | 1302 | 34,100 |
FA260JFP | A.A NO. 9 | 22.5 | 1433 | 25,000 | +32.0 | 1800 | 57,800 |
FA260JFP | A.A 1680 | 34.0 | 1376 | 18,600 | 38.5 | 1780 | 50,800 |
FA260JFP | N110 | 26.0 | 1575 | 25,300 | 30.4 | 1816 | 48,820 |
STARTING LOADS | MAXIMUM RECOMMENDED LOADS | ||||||
BULLET | MUZZLE POWDER | WT.IN GRAINS | MUZZLE VELOCITY | C.U.P. | WT.IN GRAINS | MUZZLE VELOCITY | C.U.P. |
FREEDOM ARMS | |||||||
FA300JFP | H4227 27.0 | 1494 | 41,400 | 30.0 | 1634 | 53,700 | |
FA300JFP | H110 | 28.5 | 1589 | 44,400 | 31.5 | 1780 | 55,000 |
+FA300JFP | H110 | 31.0 | 1625 | ||||
FA300JFP | HS7 | 16.0 | 1111 | 33,400 | 22.0 | 1501 | 50,200 |
FA300JFP | HS6 | 15.0 | 1084 | 31,100 | 19.0 | 1450 | 46,200 |
FA300JFP | HP38 | 8.5 | 820 | 32,000 | 11.5 | 1076 | 43,200 |
FA300JFP | W296 | 28.0 | 1537 | 41,000 | 31.0 | 1750 | 54,800 |
FA300JFP | W571 | 16.0 | 1107 | 33,000 | 22.0 | 1494 | 50,700 |
FA300JFP | W540 | 15.0 | 1100 | 32,600 | 19.0 | 1440 | 46,000 |
FA300JFP | W231 | 8.5 | 824 | 31,800 | 11.5 | 1062 | 42,400 |
FA300JFP | 2400 | 24.0 | 1461 | 42,000 | 27.0 | 1656 | 55,000 |
FA300JFP | BLUE DOT | 16.0 | 1240 | 39,100 | 19.0 | 1534 | 54,000 |
FA300JFP | UNIQUE | 10.0 | 1049 | 30,600 | 14.0 | 1275 | 38,600 |
FA300JFP | BULLSEYE | 6.5 | 804 | 20,100 | 9.5 | 1026 | 33,400 |
FA300JFP | A.A. NO. 9 | 20.0 | 1177 | 17,100 | +27.5 | 1625 | 51,900 |
FA300JFP | A.A. 1680 | 31.1 | 1346 | 27,300 | 34.5 | 1622 | 54,500 |
FA300JFP | N110 | 24.0 | 1505 | 34,500 | 26.6 | 1634 | 49,380 |
FA300JFP | N120 | 27.0 | 1290 | 29,300 | 31.0 | 1491 | 43,760 |
+ Factory Equivalent loads. Testing done in 7 1/2″ Revolver & 7 1/2″ Pressure barrel where indicated.
TECHNICAL TIPS FOR RELOADING THE 454 CASULL
TIP #1: Magnum primers are recommended for reloading for the 454 Casull.TM
Magnum primers perform more reliably at temperatures below zero degrees F.. Magnum primers will most often give more uniform velocities in magnum pistol loads using slow powders, and heavy bullets. More importantly the heavier construction of the primer cup prevents metal flow back, and provides a more positive ignition. Remember to always seat the primer below the case head to prevent recoil from firing the cartridge while not aligned with the barrel.
TIP #2: An important SAFETY FACT to remember:
When loading slow burning ball powders in reduced loads, NEVER load cases below 90% of capacity. Powders like H110 or W296 are prime examples of this condition. The reduced loads are harder to ignite by the primer, and sometimes NEVER ignite at all. This creates a DANGEROUS condition. What happens next, is that after the gun is fired and no report is heard, the primer pushes the bullet part way into the barrel. Another round is rotated into position after the first round. When the firearm is fired again with the barrel obstructed by the first round’s bullet, damage to the firearm and injury to the user generally results.
TIP #3: Reloading dies?
The use of dies other than specified for the 454 CASULL IS NOT RECOMMENDED! Reloading dies manufactured for the 454 CASULL have different internal dimensions than 45 Long Colt dies. The two main differences are: 1.> The crimp die is different than the standard crimp die in a way that allows a tapered roll crimp to retain the heavier bullets at the higher velocities. 2.> The sizing die is smaller in diameter to help in the retention of the heavier bullets. Also the longer length allows full length sizing of the longer 454 case.
NOTE: ALWAYS DO THE BULLET SEATING AND CRIMPING IN TWO STEPS. THIS REDUCES THE CHANCE OF THE CASE SIDE WALLS COLLAPSING WHEN APPLYING THE HEAVY CRIMPS
TIP #4: AFTER REFERRING TO YOUR FAVORITE RELOADING MANUAL.
An important fact to remember while loading above 1400 F.P.S.. The construction of the bullet is very important. The intent of the final loaded round is also important, and needs to be considered also. Most commercially made pistol bullets available today are designed for expansion at velocities below 1400 F.P.S. Using bullets above this velocity results in poor accuracy, because the bullets can not withstand the higher pressures generated at these higher velocities. The deformation of the bullets base when fired results in poor accuracy. The higher velocities also cause bullet jacket separation and bullet weight loss, during uncontrolled expansion. When the pressure is high enough the jacket could separate from the bullet in the cylinder, or in flight.
ALSO ANOTHER IMPORTANT FACT IS, THE FASTER THE VELOCITY AND THE SOFTER THE BULLET, THE QUICKER THE FORCING CONE AREA IN THE BARREL WILL WEAR OUT.
NEVER EXCEED THE MANUFACTURER’S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR VELOCITY MAXIMUMS!
WARNING!
Discharging firearms in poorly ventilated areas, cleaning firearms, or handling ammunition may result in exposure to lead and other substances known to cause birth defects, reproductive harm, and other serious physical injury. Have adequate ventilation at all times. Wash hands thoroughly after exposure.
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