Drag radials for hellcat

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It doesn’t matter how much power your bad-to-the-bone Dodge vehicle is pumping out when it comes time to go to the drag strip. Whether you are ripping out 1, horsepower or horsepower, you are going to be very disappointed if you take that bad boy to the track on your 20” wheels and street tires. There are two main concepts to get a grip on (pun intended) for picking out tires for the drag strip.

Size matters, but not how you think.

One of the biggest hurdles with drag racing a modern streetcar is traction. This is true with any drag car, but even more of a hurdle with streetcars. Today’s modern Dodge and SRT® cars are all unibody chassis. That means the body and frame are all one piece. That puts limitations on altering the chassis and body to fit huge massive tires under that puppy. A common solution in the early days was to “tub out” the rear end. This altered the wheel well and frame in order to fit massive tires. And, boy oh boy, does it look good. Doing something like that on a modern SRT vehicle isn’t that easy to pull off. This is part of the reason Dodge developed the wide-body package and design with the Dodge Challenger SRT Demon. It allowed them to fit a wider wheel and tire combo onto the car without having to alter the chassis.

Dodge vehicle doing a burnout

On really high-horsepower cars, running “big tire”, the only way they are able to get down the track is by running a ridiculously sized tire. They are big. They are wide. They are massive, because they have to be. As horsepower capabilities of modern Dodge vehicles continue to climb, and instant high torque with systems like the SRT Hellcat, SRT Demon and SRT Hellcat Redeye become more available, getting off the line on a street wheel and tire becomes more and more impossible. Looking to the early drag cars, and cars competing in better-known NHRA classes, a lot of people initially think “I need to cram the widest tire I can under here, that’s what the really fast racers do.”

I see a lot of people putting or series drag radials on a 20” wheel hoping to get decent results. The misconception with these production streetcars is that wider is better. I am here to tell you that it is not, necessarily. Due to a whole slew of factors that we won’t get too far into, wider tires will not help you get the results you need on something like a modern-day Charger or Challenger. Wider tires will provide some improvements to your streetcar, well, on the street. In order to really maximize your car’s abilities on the drag strip, you need to be looking at how big of a sidewall you can get in your tire. That’s right, I’m saying forget about how wide you can go.

two dodge vehicles drag racing on a drag strip

Let’s talk about how tall you can go. Most current Dodge production cars make dang near full torque early on, right off the line. This is especially true with the supercharged L HEMI® engine. As factory horsepower has continued to increase since SRT came out with a V8 motor, so has the aftermarket horsepower capabilities. What has proven to be much more effective than tire width is sidewall height. The more sidewall you can get on your tire, the more the tire can absorb some of that energy and get a nice tire wrinkle, which will help your car off the line much more than a slightly wider tire. Obviously, there are limitations to how big you can go based on the size of the wheel well and arch.

There is also some science and math to determining overall tire diameter and matching it to your power and gearing. Regardless of that, you can’t fit a 40” tire inside the arch of the wheel well. So you have to go down in wheel size to add back the appropriate tire sidewall. Generally speaking, any modern Dodge passenger car can fit an 18” wheel on the back. This is probably the most common wheel size to switch to for drag racing. Keep moving down to 17” wheels and you may encounter some hurdles. There are some 17” wheels that will also fit with zero alteration to the car or wheel. However, the ones that don’t fit usually just require an aftermarket sway bar end link that is slightly shorter than stock to clear the wheel. They are very inexpensive and easy to change, making it a great option for a drag wheel.

Converting the rear end to accept 15” wheels is another popular route. This option is rather expensive and labor intensive. But it does provide the best options for picking the right sized tire for the drag strip. But in keeping with the theme of having an epic streetcar that you also take to the track, I suggest sticking with a 17″ or 18” rear tire option.

For a 17” wheel option, a /45/17 is a great tire size to use at the drag strip. This size tire generally will fit a ”” wide wheel. Running a ” wheel over an 11” wide wheel will help save some weight and you still get all the sidewall goodness you need. Another good option depending on your power and gear ratio is a /50/ You may have a hard time cramming that in on the non-widebody cars.

dodge vehicle on two wheels

For an 18” wheel option, a /45/18 is the most ideal size tire you can run for drag use. Some of the fastest modern-day Dodge racers run this tire size.

For 20” wheel option… just don’t. I promise you, just don’t.

Another major consideration when picking a tire for the drag strip is the type of tire. Most street tires are made to ride nice, last many miles and perform well in all types of weather and temperatures. They are generally a much harder rubber, which is great for the street, but terrible for the drag strip. You will never get the results you want and dream of with a street tire. And if you ever do decide to run down the drag strip with your street tires, there is no need to do a big smoky burnout. It won’t help you out and will just waste away your tires unnecessarily. Drag tires are generally grouped into two categories: Bias Ply tires and radial tires. You can find many great debates on the internet about bias ply vs. drag radial tires, along with the pros and cons of each. In most cases, a drag radial is what you are going to want to use on your streetcar, especially if you are running street tires on the front of the vehicle.

Drag radials are a different type of rubber and compound than your regular street tires. They have one purpose in life, and that is to get traction. This is usually accomplished by manufacturing the tire with a much softer type of rubber than what is found on street tires. They also get softer and stickier with heat. The purpose of doing a burnout at the drag strip is to heat the rubber up to the appropriate temperature to obtain the most traction possible. This will vary from application to application, tire to tire, and track to track. Usually, the softer the compound, the more traction you can get. But keep in mind, the softer they are, the shorter their lifespan. Street-legal DOT-approved drag radials are a very popular option. They are legal to use on the street and on the track and provide great traction. They generally have some type of channels in the surface to make it slightly less slippery on water than ice skates on ice. It is not recommended to ever drive in the rain with drag radials; even if you can, you shouldn’t. There are companies that produce 20” drag radials. They are made of a softer and stickier compound. They have decent traction. The problem is they don’t have enough sidewall to be of much use on the track. They do provide a nice step up from a street tire for use on the street.

dodge vehicle on two wheels

At a minimum, you want a decent 17” or 18” pair of tires for the rear with a good DOT drag radial to fit it. Anything less than that and you will be leaving tons of meat on the table (pun intended). Even with the ideal rear wheel and tire setup for the track, it can be a challenge to manage traction. It won’t solve all your problems getting off the line, but it will fix a good portion of them. You can generally get a respectable rear wheel drag setup with tires for around $1, It may be one of the cheapest and most effective improvements you can do to your car to perform like a champ on the strip. Try to keep the width and diameter of the wheel down to save some weight and fit some extra sidewall. Overall, larger sidewall will provide much better results than wider tires. While contact patch of the tire does carry some importance, what a good sidewall can do with all the energy provides much better results.

What tires do you race with?

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From the May issue

Mopar’s reputation at the drag strip has been secure for more than 50 years, ever since Chrysler CEO Lynn Townsend told his engineers to get busy building a modern Hemi to rule them all. If not a lineal descendant, the hp powder keg in the Challenger SRT Hellcat is a spiritual scion of the Hemi, and it’s in a car that will turn midsecond quarter-miles right off the showroom floor.

Hmm, mids? That’s quick, but not nearly as impressive as the blown eight’s output. Power is nothing without traction, and the stock $60, Hellcat is somewhat lacking in the latter. There are a few reasons, starting with the same slab-sided sheetmetal as lesser Challengers, which limits what tires can be fitted, plus a prudent corporate policy to spec street rubber that provides reasonable wet-weather traction plus 20,mile durability. That and a tire-pressure recommendation that is safe for everything from a Minnesota winter to a high-speed run through Death Valley in July all add up to a compromise.

Like every drag rat in America, we wondered how the Hellcat would run with more-focused tires, so we rounded up two sets of alternatives, fit them to the driven wheels of a Hellcat automatic, and went to Auto Club Speedway in Fontana, California. We also decided to install a pro driver. Andy Durham and his dad, Ron, are veteran SoCal racers who run a roaring Challenger Drag Pak with a Viper V in regional NHRA events [see Snakes on a Lane below]. Ron ran the pit for us while Andy did the driving. Also in attendance was Challenger SRT development manager Jim Wilder, a drag racer in his spare time. Unfortunately, Mother Nature showed up, too, with Santa Ana winds that blustered at up to 15 mph right into our Hellcat’s face, slowing it down. But it was a handicap that applied to all of our tires, and when the time slips were spit out, the results were surprising.

Pirelli P Zero /40ZR (Y)
Price: $ each
Time Slip: sec @ mph

Choosing tires for the Hellcat was no easy task, says factory man Wilder. “Because of the torque level, grip was a huge priority.” In the spotlight were the Pirelli P Zeros ­fitted to the Chevy Camaro SS. But that tire’s Y speed rating ( mph) was deemed too low for the Hellcat, which has no limiter and can run close to mph. Pirelli ­massaged the compound and cut the tread-block height for the Hellcat to create a (Y)-rated version, the parentheses denoting “tested at speeds greater than mph.” The /40 rear tire is not wide, but width only helps lateral grip, not longitudinal traction. To enhance the latter, you need to lengthen the longitudinal contact patch without dropping the pressure so low that the tire folds over on itself. Inflated to 32 psi, the Pirellis put the Hellcat through the quarter-mile in seconds. We dropped the pressure to 24 psi to flatten the Pirellis out and roasted them a bit in the burnout box to warm them to the desired – degrees F. That knocked a couple tenths off the elapsed time, but Andy still had to feather the throttle on launch. As Wilder watched him struggle off the line, he noted: “You have to be gentle. If you slip the tire, you have to get completely off it, then feed it back on.” Not an ideal way to drag-race.

Nitto NTR /40R V
Price: $ each
Time Slip: sec @ mph

These grooved street-legal tires are made in Japan—it says so right on the sidewall—and what do the Japanese know about burnout boxes and Christmas trees? Apparently, quite a bit. So far, Nitto is the only company that makes a soft-compound drag radial that fits the stock inch Hellcat rim, but it’s V-rated, so don’t exceed mph with these fitted. That wheel sounds like silly equipment for drag racing until you learn that this giant aluminum forging weighs a mere 28 pounds. We set the Nittos at 20 psi, Andy did a burnout similar to the one he performed on the stock P Zeros, and the Christmas tree lit its lights. Right away, it was obvious that the car had better footing as the Hellcat moved out with a bawl not normally heard from cars with ,mile powertrain warranties. Two-tenths of a second fell off the foot time and three-tenths dropped off the quarter-mile. “I can definitely be more aggressive on the throttle,” said our professional wheelman upon his return. The time slips agreed, even if a head wind cut the expected trap speed by at least 5 mph. The Nittos are expensive (though mid-pack here), but they can be installed at home and driven to the track, and their performance proved the best.

Hoosier Drag Racing /
Price: $ each
Time Slip: sec @ mph

These bias-ply meats are standard equipment at any serious drag meeting, and with raised white lettering and treads as smooth as rolling pins, they convey a distinct professional intent. The problem: Hoosier doesn’t make the tire for a inch wheel, so we had to go with a steel racing rim large enough to fit over the Hellcat’s massive brakes. The Black Rock inch all-black rim, at $90 each, is an affordable and mean-looking item but not terribly lightweight at 40 pounds. The bias-ply Hoosiers on steel wheels out-weighed the Nittos on aluminum rims, the reason we think the quarter-mile times slowed by a couple of tenths. Andy reported a squirmy rear end on his first run, but once he got accustomed to the, uh, vintage nature of the bias-plies, his confidence improved and his right foot got heavier. The foot time, at seconds, nearly matched the Nitto’s seconds, but the gap grew after that even though the wind was finally tapering off. We were only able to pull an second ET out of the Hoosiers. The Durhams thought we might break into the 10s with the Hellcat, as has been done elsewhere, but not on this day with the Santa Ana winds, and not with these tires.

Snakes On a Lane

Bankruptcy shmankruptcy. In the dark days of , Dodge demonstrated that the show must go on by offering 50 Challenger Drag Pak cars to the public. Gutted of such amenities as rear seats and windshield wipers, and fitted with a two-speed slam-bang automatic parked behind an liter Viper V, the Challenger Drag Pak could launch a team into NHRA Stock or Super Stock contention for a price starting at $85, Roush Industries assembled the units for Dodge, and Arcadia, California–based racers Ron and Andy Durham took delivery of the first one off the line. Ron figures it makes horsepower and pound-feet of torque, and his car has run a atmph quarter while winning three Super Stock class victories at NHRA national events. Dodge has already shown a Drag Pak running an aluminum- block Hemi Mopar crate engine. The show goes on.

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street drag radials

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Charger SRT Hellcat , RedEye WB
I run r on the Hellcat and r2 on the Redeye all year long but we don’t get much rain and I never drive in the rain anyway so They are both far better then the factory summer or all season tires for sure. I must say the r2 has a better bite then the r.
R2 way to go! For street /35s on my Redeye 11inch she hooks really well with these. And they’re definitely a step up from the ps4s which are good tires as well I use on my charger
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Stock Dodge Challenger Hellcat Redeye Runs s Quarter-Mile With Drag Radials

Owned by Chris Fuller of EVL Bee Designs, the Redeye in the following video exceeds the manufacturer’s quarter-mile estimate by quite a lot. Dodge quotes seconds right out of the box, which sounds pretty impressive given the horsepower rating and street-going tires.

On the first run, Chris posted seconds at miles per hour ( kilometers per hour) in his Mopar machine. Second time out on the track, the elapsed time improved to seconds at mph ( kph). Not bad if you ask me, and it certainly isn’t bad when compared to the Super Stock. As a brief refresher, the next fastest Dodge Challenger after the Demonneeds seconds with the standard Nitto NT50R drag radials.

“Built on the belief that there’s never too much horsepower,”according to its maker, the Redeye differs from the Hellcat in a few notable ways. One of them is the IHI twin-screw blower, which displaces liters instead of liters. The more potent sibling also flexes a mph ( kph) speedometer, which is pretty optimistic given that it can’t hit that speed.

$13, more than the Hellcat, the Redeye is also available as a widebody if you’re prepared to pony up $6, for the flared wheel arches and inch-wide wheels compared to s. Dual stripes add $ to the tally, the Performance Spoiler is $, and red seat belts will set you back $

Going forward, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles has confirmed three more variants of the Challenger and Charger until these two bad boys will be redesigned inside and out. We don’t know too much about the upcoming versions, but FCA let it slip what’s in the pipeline for its full-sized muscle cars.

Head honcho Tim Kuniskiscan’t imagine the future without “electrification, specifically for performance.” As for how the Challenger and Charger will be electrified, the answer comes courtesy of the hybridized 8HP automatic transmission from ZF Friedrichshafen with a built-in electric motor.

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