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I am sure various threads contain info on this comparison but I did not find one that is recent. I am not dedicated to one brand and admit I have a Jeep TJ Rubicon, and have had an XJ, WJ, and another TJ. I've had a 3rd Gen 4runner too I loved. I love Jeeps for what they can do in the woods. However, right now using a TJ as a DD is a pain, and/or I am just getting older and realize I never go off-roading as much as I daydream of doing so. I would rather have a smooth, quiet, cozy vehicle for the 98% of the time I am on the pavement. As it is right now parking is a nightmare, so I will need to dump my TJ then get into an SUV.

I was dead set on the 5th Gen (TP), rear locker, Toyota reliability, down the road if I am able to wheel more lots of lifts and aftermarket off road parts available. Well I hear someone mention getting 31mpg in a 4x4 Grand Cherokee. I am shocked at that kind of gas mileage. I did not dig too deep, but threads on Jeep forums about why some chose it over a 5th Gen are that it has more power, way better gas mileage, lower cost for comparable options, and much more comfortable interior. And this summer they are coming out with another Trailhawk edition that will have an improved suspension (but no locker).

So has anyone on here owned both perhaps? My biggest concern with a Grand Cherokee would be reliability, maybe not when it is brand new but 100k miles down the road. That is where the confidence with a Toyota comes in hopefully, my 3rd Gen 4runner had 170k miles on it when I sold it, and I would have driven it across country without hesitation. With my Jeeps it seems at 100k miles they nickle and dime you with all sorts of minor repairs. But I do appreciate power, interior comfort (I am a big guy), and with the gas prices in California 31mpg sounds pretty sweet.

A big factor will be what kind of deal I can get on either of them as well...

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I am sure various threads contain info on this comparison but I did not find one that is recent. I am not dedicated to one brand and admit I have a Jeep TJ Rubicon, and have had an XJ, WJ, and another TJ. I've had a 3rd Gen 4runner too I loved. I love Jeeps for what they can do in the woods. However, right now using a TJ as a DD is a pain, and/or I am just getting older and realize I never go off-roading as much as I daydream of doing so. I would rather have a smooth, quiet, cozy vehicle for the 98% of the time I am on the pavement. As it is right now parking is a nightmare, so I will need to dump my TJ then get into an SUV.

I was dead set on the 5th Gen (TP), rear locker, Toyota reliability, down the road if I am able to wheel more lots of lifts and aftermarket off road parts available. Well I hear someone mention getting 31mpg in a 4x4 Grand Cherokee. I am shocked at that kind of gas mileage. I did not dig too deep, but threads on Jeep forums about why some chose it over a 5th Gen are that it has more power, way better gas mileage, lower cost for comparable options, and much more comfortable interior. And this summer they are coming out with another Trailhawk edition that will have an improved suspension (but no locker).

So has anyone on here owned both perhaps? My biggest concern with a Grand Cherokee would be reliability, maybe not when it is brand new but 100k miles down the road. That is where the confidence with a Toyota comes in hopefully, my 3rd Gen 4runner had 170k miles on it when I sold it, and I would have driven it across country without hesitation. With my Jeeps it seems at 100k miles they nickle and dime you with all sorts of minor repairs. But I do appreciate power, interior comfort (I am a big guy), and with the gas prices in California 31mpg sounds pretty sweet.

A big factor will be what kind of deal I can get on either of them as well...


You'll get a better deal on the Jeep. You will also lose value on it quickly and likely lose the $ saved on gas and maintenance, even if you're lucky enough to win the coin flip and not get one that ends up being lemon lawed. They drive great and do save you $ at the pump. They also have lots more technical doohickeys that can also malfunction. IMO lease a Jeep or Buy a 4Runner.

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I have no objective answer for your comparison, but I am a Toyota loyalist for the following reason: I have personally owned a Tacoma and 4th Gen 4Runner that both went over 200k miles with ZERO mechanical issues. In my family, a cousin owns a 3rd gen 4Runner with over 200k and zero issues, grandfather's 1st gen Tacoma went over 300k with no issues, and uncle owns a 1st gen 4Runner with over 300k with only 2 small spots of rust in the rear fenders (no mechanical issues).

The point is, these things don't break, and if I'm gonna spend $35000+ on a new vehicle, I plan to keep it for a pretty darn long time. Just my 2 cents.

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Here's some insight into the life of Grand Cherokee owner..

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I like the WK2 grand cherokee, but if you spend enough time on the jeep forums look at how many common problems and complaints there are. Even the people who said "yeah, definitely get the WK2 over the 5th gen" were posting threads like "Back in the shop... again" for all kinds of issues. The WK2 has an awesome interior, and all-independent suspension makes the road handling nice, but the reliability issue is a giant hurdle to overcome.

You mention fuel efficiency and power, but the only grand cherokees that arguably have both are the diese*l options which are more expensive. For the gas engines your options are either slightly better fuel efficiency, or worse fuel efficiency and more power, but not both. (*and don't forget that you can't compare mpg to mpg for diesel because the fuel price is different, you need to convert to $/mile)

You say that it will come down to what kind of deal you can get, but you need to consider your resale as well. You will be able to find better deals on WK2's, but that's only because 4Runners hold their value so well and don't have the same amount of depreciation. The WK2 may be less expensive now, but when you go to sell your vehicle you will also get a lot less than you would if you were selling a 4Runner so you need to look at the total lifetime cost of ownership (and when you include maintenance costs in that, the WK2 can get pretty pricey).

I was in your shoes last year, I really wanted the Grand Cherokee (it looks awesome and the interior is awesome) but the 4runner was just the no-brainer, easy decision, much more reliable vehicle. If you want to spend $20k-$30k on a nice but unreliable vehicle you should also consider used Range Rovers.

Take a look at these:
Transmission problems: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...-help-3329473/
Quadra Lift Problems: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...blems-1144967/
Vehicle dead won't start : http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...start-1555270/
Wiper motors failing: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...place-2420825/
dimming mirrors not working: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...rking-3684985/
people having headlight problems not covered under warranty: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...xcare-3670113/
water pumps failing early: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/well-sucks-3661433/
blend door gears strip: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...gears-2181505/
more vehicles dying on the side of the road: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...y-bad-3572082/
steering wheel buttons stopped working: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...-work-3632569/
more quadra lift problems: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...-work-3632569/
and on and on and on.....

If I spend $30k and have to put up with all of that, I would rather just buy one of these for the same amount of money:


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If you plan on leasing then a Grand Cherokee is much better. I really like the look of the Overland and Summit models.

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When we were looking a couple years ago, price was a big factor. Seemed we couldn't get what we wanted in a GC for less than $50k (sunroof was a must - at the time you had to go up several price packages to get that in the wk2, might be different now). Trail Premium came in around $10k under that (MSRP sticker).

As for the vehicles themselves, we traded an 04 WJ. The 14 4Runner is closer to the WJ, IMO, than the WK2 is. WK2 was definitely a more car-like ride to me. IIRC, it also seemed that you had to use the infotainment system for just about everything. Driving down the road, I just want a few knobs that can easily be changed without requiring me to go through a bunch of "clicks" and pages on a touch screen.

So in that regard, I like the simplicity of the 4Runner better. I like that it doesn't drive like a car. It doesn't look like a car. I like that it's dependable. The mpg "loss" doesn't bother me one bit - I can buy a lot of gas for the $10k price difference. Oh, and the rear window rolls down.

I have absolutely 0 regrets in choosing the 4R over the WK2.

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On my side of the garage sits my 2015 4Tunner TE. My wife's side has her 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland. I would choose the 4Runner every time. I like the Jeep. All the options of the Overland make it a really nice vehicle. Knock on wood, the Jeep has been fairly reliable, no real issues save for a blower fan and steering wheel control button gone bad.
However, I much prefer the feel and ride of the 4Runner. To me it seems it has more character. That may just my bias. Plus, you don't see that many 4Runners unlike the JGC where you see 10 of them on a 5 miles commute to the store.
I would buy the 4Runner for the aforementioned reason, reliability and long term value. I like knowing I can trade or sell my 4Runner for top dollar the whole time I'll own it. Whereas with the Jeep it's worth way less than what we paid, and continues to slide down in value. Plus I know it's not going to be as near as reliable as it ages.

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I'm not sure the GC is really comparable to the 4runner. It's not exactly a direct comparison, but a GC more similar to a highlander than a 4runner. Unibody crossover awd vehicles with better highway manners vs BOF truck based SUV with offroad/utility design goals. GC, highlander, Pilot, Exlorer, are all more comparable to each other. If you don't need the utility functions of the 4runner, a crossover is often a better choice for daily life.

The highlander will have most of the creature comforts you want. If not, the RX350 is the next step up and has a lot more. That's what we have as our other vehicle. It's great for everything but off road. Basically everything you might use a GC for. It's a nice bump up from the GC in the luxury department, and reliable, has great resale value, etc.


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I like the WK2 grand cherokee, but if you spend enough time on the jeep forums look at how many common problems and complaints there are. Even the people who said "yeah, definitely get the WK2 over the 5th gen" were posting threads like "Back in the shop... again" for all kinds of issues. The WK2 has an awesome interior, and all-independent suspension makes the road handling nice, but the reliability issue is a giant hurdle to overcome.

You mention fuel efficiency and power, but the only grand cherokees that arguably have both are the diese*l options which are more expensive. For the gas engines your options are either slightly better fuel efficiency, or worse fuel efficiency and more power, but not both. (*and don't forget that you can't compare mpg to mpg for diesel because the fuel price is different, you need to convert to $/mile)

You say that it will come down to what kind of deal you can get, but you need to consider your resale as well. You will be able to find better deals on WK2's, but that's only because 4Runners hold their value so well and don't have the same amount of depreciation. The WK2 may be less expensive now, but when you go to sell your vehicle you will also get a lot less than you would if you were selling a 4Runner so you need to look at the total lifetime cost of ownership (and when you include maintenance costs in that, the WK2 can get pretty pricey).

I was in your shoes last year, I really wanted the Grand Cherokee (it looks awesome and the interior is awesome) but the 4runner was just the no-brainer, easy decision, much more reliable vehicle. If you want to spend $20k-$30k on a nice but unreliable vehicle you should also consider used Range Rovers.

Take a look at these:
Transmission problems: 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Transmission problems - Please help! - JeepForum.com
Quadra Lift Problems: Quadra Lift Problems =( - JeepForum.com
Vehicle dead won't start : 2014 gc dead won't start - JeepForum.com
Wiper motors failing: Rear Wiper Motor Failed...anyone know how to replace? - JeepForum.com
dimming mirrors not working: Drivers side auto-dim mirror not working - JeepForum.com
people having headlight problems not covered under warranty: HID Headlmp Assembly NOT covered by Maxcare!! - JeepForum.com
water pumps failing early: Well this sucks - JeepForum.com
blend door gears strip: No heat on passenger side - blend door gears - JeepForum.com
more vehicles dying on the side of the road: My 2014 Jeep GC Diesel Summit broke down today (bad) - JeepForum.com
steering wheel buttons stopped working: Srevice Airbag/steering wheel controls don't work - JeepForum.com
more quadra lift problems: Srevice Airbag/steering wheel controls don't work - JeepForum.com
and on and on and on.....

If I spend $30k and have to put up with all of that, I would rather just buy one of these for the same amount of money:
Thanks for this! The kind of post I am looking for, someone well informed who is not just going on brand loyalty. I have no desire for a Range Rover. Everyone has them out here in the LA beach towns, also Grand Cherokees are very popular. But these people have the means to fix them if they do go south or dump them in a year or two for the next fancy thing, plus most people in my neighborhood have 4 cars (women gets the Range Rover and JK, husband has the European sedan and a sports car).

I see this has been merged so will read up on the thread....just saying folks with the Jeeps say 30mpg on highway trips and super cozy interior with more horsepower. But I certainly do not want to deal with gremlins.
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If you plan on leasing then a Grand Cherokee is much better. I really like the look of the Overland and Summit models.

I've never leased. I like to keep things for a long time and often will run up high miles on vehicles doing road trips. If it were not for some unfortunate financial circumstances I would still have my 3rd Gen 4runner and not need to buy anything new. Plus my plan would be to use it until I racked up some miles and/or the warranty expired, and then start wheeling it eventually when its time to get another new vehicle. Right now parking is a hassle, so unless I want to drive around town looking for parking every night for the Jeep, I need to dump it. The 4runner would be my only vehicle for the next 3-5 years until I possibly move to Colorado and have parking for more than one vehicle.
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regarding fuel efficiency, compare for yourself:
Jeep Grand Cherokee Mileage | Fuelly
Toyota 4Runner Mileage | Fuelly

it's better on average because of the v6, the v8 wk2 has worse mileage than the 4runner (and the v6 isn't going to be any faster than the 4runner).

The only people seeing anywhere close to 30mpg are diesel owners. Where I am gas and diesel are currently pretty closely priced ($0.07-$0.10 difference) but it is more commonly about $0.15 difference, so that 30mpg of diesel is about the same cost as 26mpg of gas.

If you are set on diesel and want a new full size SUV then I guess a WK2 is better than the other options

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I'm not sure the GC is really comparable to the 4runner. It's not exactly a direct comparison, but a GC more similar to a highlander than a 4runner. Unibody crossover awd vehicles with better highway manners vs BOF truck based SUV with offroad/utility design goals. GC, highlander, Pilot, Exlorer, are all more comparable to each other. If you don't need the utility functions of the 4runner, a crossover is often a better choice for daily life.
i think my last post establishes my position as not a grand cherokee fanboy, but the highlander and other crossovers you list are not in the same category as the WK2. The WK2 is not as capable as the 4Runner, but it is loads more capable than the crossovers you listed. The highlander does not have low range, it is in a different class.
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Land Rovers SUCK.

My buddy bought a new one several years back and that POS was in the shop more than it was on the road. Radio, Transmission, A/C and electrical glitches the dealer never could figure out.

He dumped it after a year at loss just to get away from it. Many, many other people have similar experiences (google "land rover sucks").

You couldn't pay me to buy one of those turds.

People that buy them think they are a status symbol in some twisted way, but to me you might as well tattoo "L" on your forehead.

Okay, I feel better now.

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I have a 2015 JGC SRT available for your use if you need one, I'm local (Boynton)

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They also just told dealers that there will be a 2016 Grand Cherokee Hellcat. Heres hoping they don't overprice it (they will).
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That will be an awesome vehicle.
We have a Charger Hellcat on the dyno right now, laid down 677 bone stock, through the A8, these things are just stupid.
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But if they price it where I think they will, starting around $80k, well equipped around $90k, who's gonna buy it? Once you're at that level you can afford another $10-20k for an X5M or ML63. They jacked up the Charger and Challenger Hellcat prices for 2016 too, by close to $4,000. FCA thinks they're better than they are, and it's going to cost them. They can't compete with the Germans or Cadillac so pricing with them is a failure waiting to happen.
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I can have a loaner gassed up and ready, and we'll custom tune it on the dyno and then provide a free i2 once we release support :)
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I can have a loaner gassed up and ready, and we'll custom tune it on the dyno and then provide a free i2 once we release support :)

How many 2015 SRTs are out there now with your tune/ computer
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I just ordered a PCM/Tuner for my 2015 Jeep SRT.

Was wondering what kind of gains you guys saw when testing?

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Ramjet wrote:I have a 2015 JGC SRT available for your use if you need one, I'm local (Boynton)

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How many 2015 SRTs are out there now with your tune/ computer
We cant keep PCMs in stock, they go out the door as fast as we can get them. I dont know how many SRT8 specifically, but we've done 100s of PCM swaps on 15+ models, everything from 3.6 cars and trucks to Hellcats...lots of Hellcats.
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Across the industry, cars are much more reliable than they were sixteen years ago. By pretty much every measure.

If I do my math right, your old jeep was a 2000, and now you are looking at a 2016.

Jeep's reliability was below the industry average in 2006, and was also below the industry average in 2016. But the industry average has gotten remarkably better over time. This shows up in any statistic you care to look at.

JD Power Initial Quality surveys don't go back to 2000, but let's compare 2006 to 2016, problems are per 100 vehicles--lower is better.

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One can expect that a 2016 Jeep to be substantially better than the 2006 industry average, and as good as the legendarily reliable 2006 Honda or Toyota. If you thought that a 2006 Honda would have been adequately reliable, then you have every reason to believe that this 2016 Jeep will be.

Of course, every car is different, and you could get a lemon, but statistically, you are more likely than ever to get a solidly reliable car, regardless of brand.

If you don't find JD Power stats convincing, then literally every other reliability statistic also shows this. For example, the average age of a car on the road in 2000 was 8.9 years. Today it is 11.6 years.

You may want the most reliable car possible, in which case you should buy a Lexus or Porsche (yes, that is what the data show). Or you may find that a certain minimum reliability is acceptable. If you have fond memories of how reliable that old Jeep was, and think that would be acceptable, then the odds are very good that the 2016 is better.

There are never guarantees, but that is the state of the world today. The odds are just very, very good that any car you choose will be more reliable than any car you owned ten years ago.
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