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Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 503 ![]() | 5th Gen vs Grand Cherokee I am sure various threads contain info on this comparison but I did not find one that is recent. I am not dedicated to one brand and admit I have a Jeep TJ Rubicon, and have had an XJ, WJ, and another TJ. I've had a 3rd Gen 4runner too I loved. I love Jeeps for what they can do in the woods. However, right now using a TJ as a DD is a pain, and/or I am just getting older and realize I never go off-roading as much as I daydream of doing so. I would rather have a smooth, quiet, cozy vehicle for the 98% of the time I am on the pavement. As it is right now parking is a nightmare, so I will need to dump my TJ then get into an SUV. | ||
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You'll get a better deal on the Jeep. You will also lose value on it quickly and likely lose the $ saved on gas and maintenance, even if you're lucky enough to win the coin flip and not get one that ends up being lemon lawed. They drive great and do save you $ at the pump. They also have lots more technical doohickeys that can also malfunction. IMO lease a Jeep or Buy a 4Runner. __________________ | ||
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Member ![]() Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 384 ![]() | I have no objective answer for your comparison, but I am a Toyota loyalist for the following reason: I have personally owned a Tacoma and 4th Gen 4Runner that both went over 200k miles with ZERO mechanical issues. In my family, a cousin owns a 3rd gen 4Runner with over 200k and zero issues, grandfather's 1st gen Tacoma went over 300k with no issues, and uncle owns a 1st gen 4Runner with over 300k with only 2 small spots of rust in the rear fenders (no mechanical issues). __________________ | |||
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Moderator ![]() Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Southern Appalachian Mountains Age: 59 Posts: 9,950 Real Name: Greg | Let's just merge this thread with one (out of the existing 50) of the more popular threads on this very subject. | |||
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Member ![]() Join Date: May 2013 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 71 Real Name: Nick ![]() | Here's some insight into the life of Grand Cherokee owner.. | |||
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Banned | @bluecollarjock I like the WK2 grand cherokee, but if you spend enough time on the jeep forums look at how many common problems and complaints there are. Even the people who said "yeah, definitely get the WK2 over the 5th gen" were posting threads like "Back in the shop... again" for all kinds of issues. The WK2 has an awesome interior, and all-independent suspension makes the road handling nice, but the reliability issue is a giant hurdle to overcome. You mention fuel efficiency and power, but the only grand cherokees that arguably have both are the diese*l options which are more expensive. For the gas engines your options are either slightly better fuel efficiency, or worse fuel efficiency and more power, but not both. (*and don't forget that you can't compare mpg to mpg for diesel because the fuel price is different, you need to convert to $/mile) You say that it will come down to what kind of deal you can get, but you need to consider your resale as well. You will be able to find better deals on WK2's, but that's only because 4Runners hold their value so well and don't have the same amount of depreciation. The WK2 may be less expensive now, but when you go to sell your vehicle you will also get a lot less than you would if you were selling a 4Runner so you need to look at the total lifetime cost of ownership (and when you include maintenance costs in that, the WK2 can get pretty pricey). I was in your shoes last year, I really wanted the Grand Cherokee (it looks awesome and the interior is awesome) but the 4runner was just the no-brainer, easy decision, much more reliable vehicle. If you want to spend $20k-$30k on a nice but unreliable vehicle you should also consider used Range Rovers. Take a look at these: Transmission problems: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...-help-3329473/ Quadra Lift Problems: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...blems-1144967/ Vehicle dead won't start : http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...start-1555270/ Wiper motors failing: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...place-2420825/ dimming mirrors not working: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...rking-3684985/ people having headlight problems not covered under warranty: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...xcare-3670113/ water pumps failing early: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/well-sucks-3661433/ blend door gears strip: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...gears-2181505/ more vehicles dying on the side of the road: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...y-bad-3572082/ steering wheel buttons stopped working: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...-work-3632569/ more quadra lift problems: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f309/...-work-3632569/ and on and on and on..... If I spend $30k and have to put up with all of that, I would rather just buy one of these for the same amount of money: ![]() Last edited by e60ral; 04-05-2016 at 01:01 PM. |
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Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Basement Posts: 93 Real Name: Brian ![]() | If you plan on leasing then a Grand Cherokee is much better. I really like the look of the Overland and Summit models. | ||
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Member ![]() | When we were looking a couple years ago, price was a big factor. Seemed we couldn't get what we wanted in a GC for less than $50k (sunroof was a must - at the time you had to go up several price packages to get that in the wk2, might be different now). Trail Premium came in around $10k under that (MSRP sticker). __________________ Toyota noob ![]() |
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Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: East Texas Posts: 72 ![]() | On my side of the garage sits my 2015 4Tunner TE. My wife's side has her 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland. I would choose the 4Runner every time. I like the Jeep. All the options of the Overland make it a really nice vehicle. Knock on wood, the Jeep has been fairly reliable, no real issues save for a blower fan and steering wheel control button gone bad. | ||
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Senior Member ![]() | I'm not sure the GC is really comparable to the 4runner. It's not exactly a direct comparison, but a GC more similar to a highlander than a 4runner. Unibody crossover awd vehicles with better highway manners vs BOF truck based SUV with offroad/utility design goals. GC, highlander, Pilot, Exlorer, are all more comparable to each other. If you don't need the utility functions of the 4runner, a crossover is often a better choice for daily life. Last edited by Jetboy; 04-05-2016 at 01:54 PM. |
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I see this has been merged so will read up on the thread....just saying folks with the Jeeps say 30mpg on highway trips and super cozy interior with more horsepower. But I certainly do not want to deal with gremlins. | ||
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Banned | regarding fuel efficiency, compare for yourself: Jeep Grand Cherokee Mileage | Fuelly Toyota 4Runner Mileage | Fuelly it's better on average because of the v6, the v8 wk2 has worse mileage than the 4runner (and the v6 isn't going to be any faster than the 4runner). The only people seeing anywhere close to 30mpg are diesel owners. Where I am gas and diesel are currently pretty closely priced ($0.07-$0.10 difference) but it is more commonly about $0.15 difference, so that 30mpg of diesel is about the same cost as 26mpg of gas. If you are set on diesel and want a new full size SUV then I guess a WK2 is better than the other options Quote:
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2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT
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BMC Drop ins, JB4 waiting for install.
Looking for a sub $10k beater for when the Equinox's lease expires in July.
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We have a Charger Hellcat on the dyno right now, laid down 677 bone stock, through the A8, these things are just stupid.
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Are you still available to drop the truck off for a couple days?Ramjet wrote:I have a 2015 JGC SRT available for your use if you need one, I'm local (Boynton)
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I can have a loaner gassed up and ready, and we'll custom tune it on the dyno and then provide a free i2 once we release support

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mikel wrote:Are you still available to drop the truck off for a couple days?Ramjet wrote:I have a 2015 JGC SRT available for your use if you need one, I'm local (Boynton)
James
I can have a loaner gassed up and ready, and we'll custom tune it on the dyno and then provide a free i2 once we release support
How many 2015 SRTs are out there now with your tune/ computer
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Was wondering what kind of gains you guys saw when testing?
I am running with an aFe CAI and Corsa Catback.
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We cant keep PCMs in stock, they go out the door as fast as we can get them. I dont know how many SRT8 specifically, but we've done 100s of PCM swaps on 15+ models, everything from 3.6 cars and trucks to Hellcats...lots of Hellcats.redvapor01 wrote:mikel wrote:Are you still available to drop the truck off for a couple days?Ramjet wrote:I have a 2015 JGC SRT available for your use if you need one, I'm local (Boynton)
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I can have a loaner gassed up and ready, and we'll custom tune it on the dyno and then provide a free i2 once we release support
How many 2015 SRTs are out there now with your tune/ computer
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If I do my math right, your old jeep was a 2000, and now you are looking at a 2016.
Jeep's reliability was below the industry average in 2006, and was also below the industry average in 2016. But the industry average has gotten remarkably better over time. This shows up in any statistic you care to look at.
JD Power Initial Quality surveys don't go back to 2000, but let's compare 2006 to 2016, problems are per 100 vehicles--lower is better.
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Of course, every car is different, and you could get a lemon, but statistically, you are more likely than ever to get a solidly reliable car, regardless of brand.
If you don't find JD Power stats convincing, then literally every other reliability statistic also shows this. For example, the average age of a car on the road in 2000 was 8.9 years. Today it is 11.6 years.
You may want the most reliable car possible, in which case you should buy a Lexus or Porsche (yes, that is what the data show). Or you may find that a certain minimum reliability is acceptable. If you have fond memories of how reliable that old Jeep was, and think that would be acceptable, then the odds are very good that the 2016 is better.
There are never guarantees, but that is the state of the world today. The odds are just very, very good that any car you choose will be more reliable than any car you owned ten years ago.
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